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Continued from here. [And most definitely, this is the last post in the series!]
This might actually be the perfect time to write about emerging markets – the developed market douche-bags (DMDs) are out in force again, warning us emerging markets are tanking… It’s a common refrain: a) developed markets are in recession, emerging markets must tank, b) developed markets are showing zero growth, emerging markets must tank, c) developed market growth’s bouncing back & rates are rising, emerging markets must tank, and d) well…emerging markets simply must tank!
2013 may turn out to be even sillier. So far, most of the year’s been spent denigrating – nay, reviling – emerging markets, simply because developed stock markets have done so well. Of course, the sub-text here is ‘why don’t you just forget/sell emerging markets (forever) & just stick to developed markets?!‘ Christ on a rope, that’s like handing out bloody gold medals to whoever took the most steroids… And now developed markets have caught a dose of the colly-wobbles in the past week or two – again, DMDs would have you believe it’s another good reason to sell emerging markets. Yes folks, we’ve finally reached the point of reductio ad absurdum:
i) Developed markets go up – sell emerging markets,
ii) Developed markets go down – sell emerging markets, and
iii) Don’t forget i) & ii).
Of course, the real absurdity is far more obvious – why don’t we all enjoy this chart again:
But when has compelling evidence ever got in the way of belief, no matter how deluded..?! However, I will admit there’s a couple of other (real) issues facing emerging markets right now:
a) The market’s forward-looking (say on a 1-2 yr horizon), and it discounts accordingly. Which often causes it to appear irrationally sensitive to inflection points, or even changes in the rate of change (of GDP growth, corporate earnings, etc.). Right now, the market appears to be reacting to an anticipated narrowing of the growth gap between emerging & developed economies.
This phenomenon’s frustrating – a suddenly less bad economy’s stock market massively out-performs another market whose economy has marvelous fundamentals (why not substitute the words ‘company’ & ‘earnings’ here also!). And all your hard work, research & analysis is simply wasted… But that’s the expectations game for you, and sometimes you just want to throw your hands up & simply join in. But are you really equipped to play the game?
We’re talking about trading vs. investing here, and all the great investors will tell you they don’t even try to time/trade the market. They’re also v conscious of the difference between first & second-level thinking (as Howard Marks so elegantly explains). First-level thinking’s what the media’s all about – the market drops 2%, and they scramble to explain why, quickly followed by a report telling us why we’re entering a new bear market…. Of course, the most plausible (or interesting) explanation quickly gains traction, even snowballs – sadly, this often has precious little to do with the market’s actual underlying driver(s), or direction.
First-level thinking may also yell at investors that growth expectations have shifted a (mere) half percentage point in favour of developed markets…so obviously it’s time to panic & sell emerging markets! Second-level thinking, on the other hand, gently reminds investors most emerging markets will easily rack up double, even triple, the GDP growth of developed markets in the next few years, and you can purchase that superior growth at a cheaper price.
b) On an individual basis, yes, some emerging markets have clearly let investors down in terms of economic growth & slumping stock markets. And increasingly, over-hyped concepts like BRICS & other emerging market investment themes appear to have also misled & disappointed investors.
This really just highlights two big misconceptions: First, emerging/frontier markets are a huge secular growth story…surely no price tag’s too expensive to pay!? Like all growth stories, this exhortation makes compelling sense – but is also incredibly dangerous. Because price always matters… If something’s a secular growth story, obviously you can afford to wait months, even years, for the right time, place & price to come along. And if you over-pay, there’s a fair chance it works out OK in the end, but meanwhile there’s an even better chance you’ll suffer for your mistake! More recently, growth in some of the larger emerging markets was/is slowing down, while their stock markets also became (somewhat) over-priced. Which cues up the second misconception – the actual idea of emerging markets.
This dumping of incredibly disparate markets into a single bucket (the same has now happened with frontier markets) probably made a lot more sense a couple of decades back, but now looks increasingly anachronistic. I mean, what’s an emerging market these days? If I dropped you in the middle of Seoul, you’d quickly see how ludicrous it is to label South Korea as an emerging market. More generally, take a closer look at the airports, roads, subways, bridges & other (often decaying) infrastructure of America (for example), and compare it to what you might find in an increasing number of emerging markets – seriously, which looks more third world to you?
OK, maybe that’s an unfair comparison – it’s easy to have state of the art infrastructure when you only started building it 10 years ago! Good point. But unfortunately it’s an immediate reminder how thread-bare the finances of (pretty much) the entire developed world have become – seems like they can barely afford repairs, let alone new-building! [A terrible missed opportunity – I agree with the deficit dummies for once, that kind of spending still offers huge pay-offs. Actually, now I think about it, I don’t recall them suggesting anything so bloody constructive – ‘shovel-ready’ was just a verbal sop – so, f**k you, Krugman! Erm…again]. [I have to add: How on earth can the greatest capitalist nation on earth still have so much government, and so little PPP?! That’s definitely gonna change…]
It’s time for investors to realize we’re entering a world where thinking in terms of developed & emerging market buckets will probably make far less sense. Instead, there’ll be an ever-changing spectrum of growth, pricing & risk to choose from – while I still think emerging/frontier markets (as we think of them now) will easily out-pace developed markets, country-picking will become the far more logical & lucrative approach to global investing.
[Of course, that will require further research on your part, even if it’s just a checklist review of each country’s main macro indicators. Fortunately, emerging/frontier markets are generally in far better shape than developed markets these days. Inflation rates are obviously higher, but well under control – the only obvious problem is an occasional current a/c deficit which has begun to look excessive (say, 5-7%+ of GDP). You’d be surprised how long countries can comfortably run deficits like that, but suddenly (literally over-night) they end up walking the plank – and investors end up whacked on the stock market, and the currency. I used to reference IMF data, but Trading Economics has now become a bloody amazing resource].
That being said, generalist funds are still a great place to start. After all, many investors just don’t have the time, experience or confidence to start cherry-picking emerging/frontier markets. The grand-daddy of them all (though I’m not sure Mark Mobius could be described as such!) is Templeton Emerging Markets IT (TEM:LN) – actually, it celebrates its 25th birthday next year! Genesis Emerging Markets Fund (GSS:LN), JPMorgan Emerging Markets IT (JMG:LN) & Advance Developing Markets Fund (ADMF:LN) are equally worthy of consideration (plus Murray International Trust (MYI:LN) & Investment AB Kinnevik (KINVB:SS), both with a substantial emerging markets weighting). [I’m usually not a big fan of fund of funds, but ADMF (and its sister fund, AFMF) obviously offer a far greater degree of diversification – which many investors will find reassuring. Also, a major portion of its portfolio is invested in closed-end funds – in times of stress, that may offer an attractive double discount opportunity].
Speaking of (NAV) discounts, these funds have generally traded at an 8-12% discount in the past year or two. In fact, I’d definitely recommend you track discount histories on a long-term basis – nothing too exact, just take a note of the discount levels (of the main trusts) every few months. There’s a simple & compelling benefit to this exercise – to explain, a frequent (emerging markets) lament from investors is ‘How do I know it’s the right time to buy..?!‘:
– Well, first…you don’t! Before you panic, this is actually no different than the situation you face in your home market, and history clearly proves familiarity’s just as much of an enemy as a friend to the investor. So…just get over it!
– Again, you don’t know…and how could you!? Emerging markets are an incredibly disparate collection of countries – how do you expect to consistently evaluate their prospects & attractiveness within a single investment decision? The simple answer – particularly if you’re significantly under-weight emerging markets – is to devise & stick to a regular investment plan. I’m not normally a fan of dollar-cost averaging, but in this situation it might just offer the perfect solution. Adding mechanical rules which prompt you to accelerate or decelerate your purchases, based on market price action, are obviously useful too.
But there’s a couple of far more intelligent rules you can apply:
– First, monitor the P/E ratio of emerging markets vs. the US (for example). Despite their diversity, I believe this ratio generally provides a valuable sentiment index for the emerging markets as a whole. Let’s assume P/E ratios are equal, on average, and this corresponds to your default emerging markets investment plan. You can add more rules obviously, but in my experience if the emerging markets P/E ratio reaches a 20-30%+ premium to the US P/E ratio, you should seriously consider halting your purchases (or even selling some of your holdings). In similar fashion, a 20-30%+ discount should prompt a significant acceleration in your purchases.
– Second, right, we’re finally back to NAV discounts..! [Frankly this advice applies to all investing – I‘m firmly convinced fund discounts are probably the single most valuable & informative indicator(s) you can track]. I’d suggest a similar strategy as above, but now you’ll also monitor the average/range of premiums/discounts on your fund investments. However, I believe tighter limits are generally warranted these days when it comes to funds – I’d recommend using a 5-10%+ premium & a 15-20%+ discount as your upper & lower bounds, respectively.
[If you rely on this approach, and stick with generalist funds, I think you already have a pretty attractive & easy to implement investment strategy for emerging/frontier markets – no need to read much further, or consider some of the more exotic funds I’ll mention! ;-)]
Now, let’s continue – there’s also a reasonable selection of closed-end funds listed in NY which focus on emerging markets -although there’s a clear preference for regional (or even single-country) funds. [The CEF Connect site is a good reference tool also]. Unless there’s a specific exposure you can’t access elsewhere, I’ve never found closed-end funds to be that exciting. While their NAV discounts are now reaching double digit levels, almost inevitably you’ll find better discounts in London. And their tax/distribution situation’s a headache, even if you’re US resident (excepting tax-exempt accounts). If you consider emerging markets as a long-term investment, UK investment trusts are a great way to compound gains on a ‘tax-free‘ basis, at least ’til you finally cash out – a favourite Warren Buffett strategy, if you recall! [The fact a large percentage of UK trusts focus on capital appreciation for their investors, rather than dividends, obviously helps].
Of course, we can’t forget emerging market debt funds – there’s been a rash of them in the past couple of years – in the US, not London, now there’s a surprise..! Like most fixed income, especially bond funds, I just don’t get it – these funds obviously have the potential to punish investors with substantial downside, with v little upside to compensate. As usual, the greedy (& fearful) income investor ends up avoiding equities, and ends up in something else that’s perhaps just as/more dangerous. [I haven’t even checked, surely these funds aren’t stupid enough to pile on the usual US closed-end bond fund leverage?!] Oh please, not for me, thank you…
As for ETFs, I can’t even be bothered… Sure, they offer cheaper fees (hmmm, that’s somewhat debatable), but active management would still appear to enjoy a clear advantage (vs. passive strategies) in emerging/frontier markets. Plus the allocation approach of most ETFs leaves a lot to be desired – there’s a world of markets to choose from, yet there’s plenty of ETFs which sport a bizarre 50%+ of their assets concentrated in just a couple of countries. The handful of frontier market ETFs are far worse… Just take a look at Guggenheim Frontier Markets ETF (FRN:US) – 74% of the fund’s concentrated in Chile (51%!?!), Colombia & Argentina. What ass-clown came up with that allocation & then called it a frontier markets ETF? Can you tell if he’s a liar, or simply an idiot..?
Then there’s the sadly misguided world of emerging/frontier market open-ended funds. I can’t think of a more inappropriate investment structure… Even if you’re a stand-firm long-term investor, do you really trust your fellow shareholders not to all dash for the exit like mindless sheep at some point? How do you think that would savage your investment & peace of mind? It may be academic anyway – if that’s what’s happening, what do you think’s happening with liquidity? You might just end up locked up in a dying fund.
More specialized (global) funds would include Ashmore Global Opportunities (AGOL:LN) & Utilico Emerging Markets (UEM:LN). Craven House Capital (CRV:LN) is a tiny fund focused on emerging (& frontier) markets. [Though its latest deal is Irish – an investment in the debt of the Green Isle Hotel, which actually looks like an extraordinary bargain. It’s worth noting they also have a stake in a newly listed African farmland company, Farm Lands of Africa (FLAF:US)]. After a recent investment by Fortress Investment Group (FIG:US) & GP Investments (GPIV11:BZ), Apen (APEN:SW) will re-focus on private equity fund & direct emerging market investments.
Of course, the ultimate generalists are perhaps the asset managers themselves – obviously they offer a more leveraged exposure, as long as you’re comfortable with that risk. Argo Group (ARGO:LN) (my fave, of course!) & Ashmore Group (ASHM:LN) focus more on debt, while Charlemagne Capital (CCAP:LN) focuses on equities. A substantial portion of Aberdeen Asset Management’s (ADN:LN) AUM is also focused on emerging markets/Asia. I recently published an interesting UK asset manager peer analysis (vs. ARGO) here. [And let’s not forget: Value Partners Group (806:HK) – always looked a little pricey to me, but could be an intriguing China play at some point (some good VP interviews here). And also City of London Investment Group (CLIG:LN) – going through some difficulties right now, but perhaps a great long-term emerging/frontier markets holding (which I’ve owned in the past)].
Unfortunately, there’s not too many listed frontier markets funds, though I suspect we’ll have a slew of them in the next few years. For the moment, you can choose from Advance Frontier Markets Fund (AFMF:LN) (a fund of funds, as I mentioned above) & Blackrock Frontiers IT (BRFI:LN). There’s actually a new frontier markets fund that listed fairly recently, in a round-about manner, but so far it seems to be flying below the radar for most investors – might be worth saving for a closer look some day… 😉
Now, let’s traverse the globe:
In Asia, first as a region, let’s choose to ignore those (perfectly respectable) funds which include a Japan allocation. Of the ex-Japan funds, the real winners are a surprising duo – income & small company funds – including Aberdeen Asian Income Fund (AAIF:LN), Aberdeen Asian Smaller Companies IT (AAS:LN), Schroder Oriental Income Fund (SOI:LN), Scottish Oriental Smaller Companies Trust (SST:LN) (again with the ‘Oriental‘ – gentlemen, the opium wars are over, now it’s ‘Asian‘!), and Edinburgh Dragon Trust (EFM:LN) deserves an honourable mention. Establishment IT (ET/:LN) & Pacific Alliance Asia Opportunity Fund (PAX:LN) are more absolute-return oriented funds. The US also has a reasonably good selection of ex-Japan closed-end funds – they were quite the rage a decade or two ago – again, they’re mostly focused on single countries.
Second, let’s look at individual countries: China exposure can be accessed via JPMorgan Chinese IT (JMC:LN), trailed by Fidelity China Special Situations (FCSS:LN) (where Anthony Bolton has finally given up the ghost). More exotic (private equity) options include ARC Capital Holdings (ARCH:LN), China Growth Opportunities (CGOP:LN) (which looks like it’s being re-focused on retail/real estate businesses) & Origo Partners (OPP:LN). Since I’ve mentioned it before, let’s throw Prosperity Mineral Holdings (PMHL:LN) into the mix as a quasi-investment company (and some say ultimate value trap…). Once you count the value of its 33.1% stake in Anhui Chaodong Cement Co (600318:CH), everything else is pretty much thrown in for free.
For India, we have India Capital Growth Fund (IGC:LN), JPMorgan Indian IT (JII:LN) & New India IT (NII:LN). We also have private equity funds, like Infrastructure India (IIP:LN), Kubera Cross-Border Fund (KUBC:LN), Elephant Capital (ECAP:LN) & EIH (EIH:LN). Thailand: Aberdeen New Thai IT (ANW:LN), and also Symphony International Holdings (SIHL:LN) – whose primary focus was originally Thailand (the excellent Minor International (MINT:TB) is a core holding), but now they’re expanding rapidly in Asia, Turkey & China. Last, and certainly not least, we have Vietnam – and funds like Vietnam Holding (VNH:LN), PXP Vietnam Fund (VNF:LN), Vietnam Infrastructure (VNI:LN) & VinaCapital Vietnam Opportunity Fund (VOF:LN).
I’ve already talked about all kinds of Russia (& its ex-satellites) funds here & here.
Next we have the Middle East – or, more broadly, the GCC & MENA markets. Exposure includes Qatar Investment Fund (QIF:LN) & Qannas Investments (QIL:LN). Of course, the best exposure to the region (in my opinion) is offered by European Islamic Investment Bank (EIIB:LN) – and here’s my latest EIIB post.
Moving down the continent, we next have the frontier markets of Africa. We’ve obviously seen many false dawns in Africa for the past 50 years, but I do believe we’ve finally reached/even passed a decisive inflection point for the continent. This time is different because of the ever-increasing access to the internet, to cellphones & to micro-finance (which is easily enabled via both technologies). Funds on offer here are certainly more exotic: Africa Opportunity Fund (AOF:LN), PME African Infrastructure Opportunities (PMEA:LN), ADC African Development Corp (AZC:GR), Cambria Africa (CMB:LN), Masawara (MASA:LN), Peregrine Holdings (PGR:SJ) & Blackstar Group (BLCK:LN). And Market Vectors Africa Index ETF (AFK:US) is one of the few decent emerging/frontier market ETFs I’ve come across – i.e. I’ve actually owned it in the past!
Latin America’s probably the least favourite (at least outside the US) emerging market region for many investors (including me). Which probably explains the lack of generalist fund exposure – pretty much all that’s on offer is Blackrock Latin American IT (BRLA:LN) & JPMorgan Brazil IT (JPB:LN). Then you have GP Investments (GPIV11:BZ), a Latin American private equity firm I’ve already mentioned above. But I guess we can also still include Clean Energy Brazil (CEB:LN), while Hansa Trust (HAN:LN) & Ocean Wilsons Holdings (OCN:LN) also both offer significant exposure to Brazil. However, Brazil’s had a tough time of it recently – personally in Latin America, considering past & future, I’d prefer to stick with investing on the left-hand side of the map! But that exposure’s more difficult to access…
Right, we’re only getting started! I haven’t even touched emerging/frontier market:
– Property companies: I provide some commentary here, but don’t reference specific stocks.
– Agri-businesses: I find most listed exposure to biological growth/assets (which is what really interests me) is now concentrated in emerging/frontier markets, while listed companies in the developed markets now focus on ‘picks & shovels‘. I detail Russia/Ukraine farmland/agri-business companies here & here – plus Avangardco Investments Public (AVGR:LI), of course – and pretty much cover the rest of the world here.
– Natural resource stocks: I comment a little here. Frankly, the idea of fund managers investing in resource stocks simply based on the fact they’re located in emerging/frontier markets is a little silly. At the end of the day, they’re mostly taking on commodity/resource stock exposure – while their emerging/frontier market risk is unfortunately asymmetric (i.e. increased taxes, regulation, confiscation, etc. – natural resources still brings out the xenophobia in governments & politicians!). However, investing in domestic emerging/frontier market resource stocks can make a lot more sense.
And what about the great undifferentiated mass of hundreds, nay thousands, of other emerging/frontier market companies..? OK, I’m just kidding – let’s not go there, at least right now – I mean, do you really want us to be here all day & all night?!
But in all seriousness, my main investment priority for the next decade – as I’ve done with the rest of my investing, in the past decade – is to gradually migrate from investment funds into a well researched & diversified portfolio of individual emerging/frontier market companies. Unfortunately, when I survey the prospects for much of the developed world, this seems like the only sensible strategy to pursue. I would definitely recommend you at least contemplate such a challenge also – otherwise (presuming you live in the US, Europe or Japan, for example), you may end up shocked at the potential risks to your general economic prosperity (let alone your portfolio) in the years ahead.
But let’s finish up on an encouraging note: This week, I was somewhat randomly hunting around for an interesting emerging market company or two. For example (and avoiding the local property bubble), I was astonished to discover how cheap many large & small Hong Kong stocks are at the moment! Not what you might expect, eh?! Literally in the space of an afternoon, I discovered two holding companies which appear to be stunningly cheap:
– Company A: No property exposure, no real China exposure, a decent investment record, no significant underlying run-rate losses, and the majority of the balance sheet now converted to cash – a Price/Book of 0.4!
– Company B: No property exposure, no real China exposure, an admittedly mediocre investment record, no significant underlying run-rate losses, and net cash on the balance sheet – a Price/Book of less than 0.1!?
You know, if I can find two HK stocks like that in a single afternoon – imagine how many other cheap & interesting emerging/frontier market stocks are out there..?! 🙂
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Wexboy, linking your posts on EM/FM and asset managers, have you ever looked at Value Partners Group (806:HK)?
thanks for the always interesting topics and investment ideas.
Thanks, Matteo,
Yes, Value Partners would be a great play on China/HK when the time’s right. I’ve certainly considered it – unfortunately, every time I look at it, it’s never cheap enough to make it an attractive buy! But I’ll keep checking in on it now & again…
Incidentally, there are two Value Partners interviews included here:
http://www.amazon.com/Value-Investors-Lessons-Worlds-Managers/dp/1118339290/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1373028974&sr=1-1&keywords=ronald+chan
Cheers,
Wexboy
yes, I got to the same conclusion about price (much more expensive than say ASHM:LN, altough they are not the same animal…). I do have that book on my desk, I just have to find the time to read it
cheers!
Great series Wexboy,
I have one question – the graph you show of 10 year returns for EM vs DM. I’m always cautious with 10 year equity returns as an argument for being pro or anti equities because of the huge distortions that can occur which can take years to work out.
Exhibit A in what I mean here is the “US/UK Equities are worthless, they’ve gone no where in 10 years, never touch them again” argument which is invalidated when you realise that all that’s happened in 10 years is a P/E multiple contraction combined with growing earnings to combine to create stagnation.
I suppose the question is either a) Do you have any longer term data (20,30 years +) to support the idea that EM should beat DM over the long run or b) Do you have any data to show what drove the EM returns – is it made up of rapid earnings growth, P/E expansion etc?
Thanks CantEatValue,
Lord, it can be hard enough to find 5 yr+ charts sometimes..!
I’m sure there are appropriate resources out there if one looks hard enough… Actually, I was recently reading this – http://www.factset.com/insight/article/em_20_anniversary.pdf MSCI Barra published a v handy 20 year perspective in 2008.
Your argument highlights an obvious risk, of course – I guess I’d point to current emerging/frontier market P/Es to allay concerns. It depends on your precise starting point (EM indices were a lot more volatile then!), but broadly speaking I think it’s fair to say earnings growth has been responsible for much of the progress in the indices over the years (i.e. there hasn’t been a huge expansion in P/E multiples).
Standing looking at today’s EM P/E levels, and surveying their macro-fundamentals, I feel quite comfortable this is a great place to start from – and it isn’t simply based a trite extrapolation of past returns. But I also think my advice above about monitoring EM premiums to developed markets is v important. Emerging markets have clearly exhibited boom/bust behaviour historically – I’m not at all convinced we’ll see that level of volatility any longer, but if an EM premium appears & becomes wide enough, that could still prove a great signal to bail out.
Cheers,
Wexboy
Re: The video, I know! 😉 You choose a name in a mad moment of inspiration 7-8 long years ago, and then some long time latter the potential consequences finally hit you…
Hopefully “the kids” are too young to remember TVAM et al. 😉
Thanks as ever for a thought inspiring blog.
Yup, the internet’s a dangerous place for that, eh..?!
And nobody wants to remember TVAM etc. (though I really do want to see a Tiswas show one more time) 😉
Thanks again!
A core part of your thesis is emerging market GDP growth, but then you go on suggesting buying emerging market stocks, or funds thereof. Yet, historically the link between GDP and locally listed stock’s prices is at best weak, isn’t that a problem? And I suspect the link might be weaker still in emerging market (the listed incumbents may not be those capturing the growth, and if they do the benefits may not accrue to the listed stockholders due to governance issues).
Also some big emerging companies (which may have a big weight in emerging funds) are not really linked to emerging GDP (eg Samsung Electronics’ success or failure dynamics is similar to that of Apple or Sony, being listed in Seoul is barely material as they have a well spread worldwide customer base).
cig,
Well, GDP growth was only one of nearly a dozen comparative advantages I highlighted. Actually, there was a similar observation on my previous post – see my reply here:
https://wexboy.wordpress.com/2013/06/21/portfolio-allocation-xiv-emerging-frontier-markets/
Perhaps it’s somewhat academic anyway – it’s all about stock-picking in the end. But sticking to investing in the developed markets, against a back-drop of far worse macro fundamentals AND more expensive market pricing, doesn’t seem like the best recipe for success to me…
Yes, I’m delighted with the Samsung success story too – hopefully we’ll see a lot more of them coming out of the emerging markets!
Cheers,
Wexboy
Hi Wexboy,
Long time lurker, first time commenter. Thanks for the post and the series, very informative.
I’m curious how you feel about exposure to the Chinese property market (incl. through banking and construction) given recent reports of massive numbers of abandoned ghost towns completed and still under construction. Is China’s property market getting ahead of itself, and are those broad BRICS funds investing too heavily in sectors on the brink of collapse?
Thanks, snappieT,
There’s a lot of lurkers about… 😉
Actually there are a couple of funds/companies out there which seem to be genuinely adding alpha – and of course they’re as cheap as the rest of their peers these days! But I’m not the one to stand in front of a potential property tsunami…
The bigger problem with investing in China & HK is that so many ‘non-property’ companies are obviously (& not so obviously) dependent on/vulnerable to the property market. And then of course there’s the general (quite justifiable) reluctance of most Western investors to invest in any kind of China-related company these days.
Funnily enough, I’ve been thinking abt the topic a lot recently – I do believe there are opportunities, but I’ve also come up with a checklist of company requirements to address governance/other fears other investors(& I) have abt Chinese companies. Unfortunately, it’s so stringent I’m not sure more than a handful of companies might qualify! But fortunately…I’ve come across such a company (I think) & it’s actually dead cheap (not Company A or B above). If I ultimately invest, it should make an interesting post or two…
Cheers,
Wexboy
Enjoyed your post as always — so comprehensive — and will likely link it up this weekend, but have to question why you’re laughing at emerging index funds?
The evidence I’ve seen is passive emerging funds will beat the majority of active funds, as is the case with other asset classes.
e.g. “81% of emerging markets funds trailed their benchmarks.”
http://business.time.com/2012/02/24/index-funds-win-again-this-time-by-a-landslide/#ixzz2XWX8LBa1
Since it’s easy to buy the benchmarks today, many people should. (Also they are far cheaper — again not sure what you’re driving at there?)
Now I happen to invest in the Templeton EM IT but that’s a specific bet on the manager, operation, and his holdings, not because I think active funds can easily beat indices, even in the emerging space. Far from it.
cheers!
Thank you, as always, Mr Monevator! (Sorry, I can’t resist: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLpjECGLj1o)
Interesting – I didn’t look in the aggregate, but obviously I agree with the concept (sorry, facts, which you present!) – but when it comes to emerging markets (vs. developed markets) I believe a little polemic is justified 😉
However, in my defence:
– The article is about US active vs. passive funds. I’ve always been singularly unimpressed with US emerging market active mutual funds, so no wonder they under-perform – I suspect our boys in London (or in the skies, when it comes to Mobius) perform that much better.
– It’s been generally demonstrated that most fund under-performance (vs, indices or passive funds) is due to fees & related expenses. But as far as I’ve noted (again, not objectively/definitively confirmed) the relative difference in emerging market active vs. passive fund fees is far smaller than you might see with say US large cap funds (for example).
– The v best times to invest in emerging/frontier markets are invariably also the times when closed-end funds/investment trusts trade at the widest discounts. That’s what I live for (ideally), and something you can’t access via passive funds.
But it’s all somewhat academic, if an investor’s more comfortable with emerging market investing via passive funds (my reservations re frontier funds still stands though), I’m delighted to hear it anyway – far better than some shares in Lloyds, eh?!
Yeah, TEMIT’s still a great trust (despite its advanced age!) – I don’t own it right now, I’m more biased to frontier markets, but I’ve owned it for many years in the past & check in on it regularly.
Favour to ask: If you do link, perhaps you’d like to add a link for previous post for some context? Ta muchly.
https://wexboy.wordpress.com/2013/06/21/portfolio-allocation-xiv-emerging-frontier-markets/
Cheers,
Wexboy
Wexboy,
There w as a time when some of your posts were entertaining and informative.
More recently I detect a note arrogance and lapse into intemperate language.In the investment business it is not usually advisable to refer to others as idiots and clowns…you may be one one bad”call”from being so described.
I sense you see yourself as something special in the analysis area,but ,being original is not your forte.Forests have been felled etc..
Intended as constructive criticism.
Thomas,
Take a look back – my apologies, you’re going to find plenty more intemperate language. Hopefully we have no priests reading the blog & getting all offended – I trust they’re far too busy, banging away at…..er, their Sunday sermons & what-not!
I get the feeling you’re not a fan of emerging & frontier markets..? [But surely they would have proved a tasty alternative to an over-weighting in the likes of Bank of Ireland (still down 99%), or even the Irish market (down 80% at one point)?] ‘Cos here I am showing the love to 50-100 nations across the globe, and you seem more worried about some ETF-flogging schmuck..!
But you’re right. I don’t know the specific individual, but if they reach out to me I’d immediately apologize for calling them an ‘ass-clown’ & ‘idiot’ – that was completely inappropriate language… Now you push me on it, I’m sure I can find far more appropriate language to describe somebody who thinks it’s fucking acceptable to sell a Frontier Markets ETF which happens to have 51% of its assets invested in a single country (Chile – actually an emerging market for the past decade or two).
Nevertheless, consider me dipped in butter & suitably chastised – now, it’s my blog and I’ll cry if I want to…
Wexboy
Good post. What would be on your checklist for each country’s main macro indicators?
Thanks Marc,
Have a look at the first page of http://www.tradingeconomics.com/
They pretty much cover the gamut of the most obvious/important indicators. I wouldn’t necessarily suggest excluding** countries based on poor macros – returns from (semi-) basket case countries can often be attractive, because their stock markets may be priced accordingly (in fact, risk – beyond a certain level – is often over-discounted). I’d suggest using it more to guide the sizing of your allocations, if you’re really interested in ‘country-picking’.
** But I highlighted the current a/c, because a double hit from the market & the currency (in a v short space of time) can be really painful for investors – and also because I have the perception that if you actually wait & invest in the middle of such a C/A crisis (while closing your eyes & gritting your teeth!) you can scoop up a real bargain.
Cheers,
Wexboy